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Herr Esiq
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:14:00 -
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Klyith wrote:FYI, Amazon may be giving CCP some additional consideration to have an Amazon-only sale. They've been doing stuff like that to build out their digital gaming store and compete with existing stores. So it may be less "CCP favoring the US" and more "Amazon only caring about the US".
If only there where PLEX vendors that cater internationally and willing to strike a deal with CCP.
I personally am not convinced every 3rd party retailer on their own list is strong-arming CCP into not having a PLEX sale:
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:24:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Othran wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
The cost of doing business in the EU is higher than the US.
No, its not. .... Amazon.de does not have to transfer VAT to the Germany government? Should I order through Amazon.DE they take VAT from me and send it to the German government; unless I submit AE From 215-6B.
You keep bringing up amazon.de, but thats not the issue, there are many ways to avoid VAT, as given per example few posts up. In fact its the #1 sport in the EU. OP also included VAT in the calculations.
Always remember: avoiding tax is legal, evading tax is illegal.
The problem is why CCP had to go with a vendor that excludes other countries from the option to buy. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 13:47:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Ok, I don't agree but that doesn't really matter.
Im glad this whole issue doesnt revolve around you agreeing or not, you are wrong on the VAT ristrictions for internal EU market.
Here is our local Dutch variant, Google translate it or whatever, i dont care, but you are wrong:
http://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/belastingdienst/prive/douane/goederen_ontvangen_uit_het_buitenland/van_organisaties_en_bedrijven/moet_ik_belastingen_bij_invoer_betalen_zo_ja_hoe_bereken_ik_dat |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:03:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Ok... I trust you. Amazon DE take 19% VAT from German citizens and then pays out way less and pockets the rest. And the German government has no issue with this. No problem.
I strongly get the feeling you are outright trolling now, but yes, they have issues with it but those issues wont be resolved over night. Well known tax havens are:
- The Netherlands
- Cyprus
- Malta
- Ireland
- Luxembourg
- Switzerland
- Monaco
Probably forgetting more, but a lot of countries have 'specific tax cuts' on certain areas to pull that type of companies to their country. But still, import and export within the EU is free, you just have to get your stuff cheaply within the EU borders!
I worked for years for a company thats founded on Malta, yet every employee was Dutch and lived there. No issues there. Avoiding tax is good, evading tax is bad. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:14:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Herr Esiq wrote:
I strongly get the feeling you are outright trolling now, but yes, they have issues with it but those issues wont be resolved over night. Well known tax havens are:...
Not trolling... just we have come to a road block on how VAT works in Germany. You know how it works here in Germany... my experience with it over the last ten years is different. My experience: the sale of good from a German company to a German resident are taxed at 19% and that money goes to the government. You say it it doesn't work that way. No need to argue.
Your digital purchase is handled through a Luxembourgian company VAT is applied in Luxembourg, stop dragging Germany into this. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:24:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Herr Esiq wrote:
Your digital purchase is handled through a Luxembourgian company VAT is applied in Luxembourg, stop dragging Germany into this.
Is it? That doesn't seem to be what Amazon.de is saying. Did I read it wrong? VAT (value-added tax) on goods In accordance with the laws governing members of the European Union, Amazon.de is obliged to charge VAT (Umsatzsteuer) on all orders delivered to destinations in member countries of the EU. The VAT rate in Germany is only 7% on books, groceries (beverages and gift baskets excluded) and pet food. Items in our catalogue besides books, groceries and pet food are subject to the regular VAT rate of 19%. These also include, audiobooks, CD-roms, calendars, software items, and more. The amounts displayed for goods sold by Amazon.de are inclusive of German VAT. However, your final price may differ depending on the actual VAT rate that applies to your order.
Yes that is what YOU are charged and WHY Amazon.de is a bad deal for Europeans. But it is NOT what Amazon pays for VAT and they keep the profit they make from routing through Luxembourg.
The moment CCP makes their PLEX offer open from a different company, we Europeans can import it the same way Amazon cheats the system and avoid most of the VAT. Thats why we are pissed off we cant buy from Amazon US.
If you still dont get it, i give up. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:23:00 -
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Othran wrote:[Hopefully we've convinced everone bar the German guy that taxes are NOT the cause of the price-gouging. Were I to speculate I'd say that they are worried Eve Vegas is going to be quiet so they punt out cheap PLEX.
I'd guess he is still Googling for some sort of comeback.
But i assumed the EVE Vegas thing was the reason too, but it wrecked the PLEX market for us and we couldnt reap the benefits. |
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